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Witness: Worked with Giuliani at Trump's 'express direction'

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Last Updated : Nov 20 2019 | 10:40 PM IST

Ambassador Gordon Sondland told House impeachment investigators Wednesday that he worked with Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine at the express direction of President Donald Trump and pushed for a political quid pro quo with Kyiv because it was what Trump wanted.

"Mr Giuliani was expressing the desires of the president of the United States, and we knew that these investigations were important to the president, Sondland testified of his dealings with Trump's personal attorney.

Sondland, the most highly anticipated witness in the public impeachment probe, made clear that he believed Trump was pursuing his desire for political investigations in return for an Oval Office meeting that the Eastern European nation's new president sought to bolster his alliance with the West.

Sondland said he later came to believe military aid that Ukraine relied on to counter Russia was also being held up until the investigations were launched.

In a blockbuster morning of testimony, Sondland's opening remarks included several key details: He confirmed that he spoke with Trump on a cellphone from a busy Kyiv restaurant the day after the president prodded Ukraine's leader to investigate political rival Joe Biden.

He also said he kept Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and other top administration officials aware of his dealings with Ukraine on the investigations Trump sought. Sondland said he specifically told Vice President Mike Pence he had concerns that US military aid to Ukraine had become tied to the investigations.

Everyone was in the loop, Sondland testified in opening remarks.

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It was no secret. Trump, speaking to reporters outside the White House on Wednesday, said he does not know Sondland well. Addressing the idea of trading access or aid for investigations, he said, speaking from notes written with a black marker, I want nothing. He said he never wanted any quid pro quo.

And a top Pence aide quickly denied that the brief conversation Sondland described between himself and the vice president had occurred. It never happened, said Pence chief of staff Marc Short.

Sondland said that conditions on any potential Ukraine meeting at the White House started as generic but more specific items got added to the menu including -- Burisma and 2016 election meddling. Burisma is the Ukrainian gas company where Joe Biden's son Hunter served on the board. And, he added, the server, the hacked Democratic computer system.

I know that members of this committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a 'quid pro quo?' As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes, he said.

Sondland said he didn't know at the time that Burisma was linked to the Bidens but has since come to understand that -- and that the military aid also hinged on the investigations.

"President Trump never told me directly that the aid was conditioned on meetings, he testified. The only thing we got directly from Giuliani was that the Burisma and 2016 elections were conditioned on the White House meeting. ... The aid was my own personal guess ... two plus two equals four."
Sondland appeared prepared to fend off scrutiny over the way his testimony has shifted in closed-door settings, saying "my memory has not been perfect."

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First Published: Nov 20 2019 | 10:40 PM IST

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